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Royal Vacations
« on: February 22, 2012, 09:33:19 PM »
Here we go again since the last attempt at this topic had to be locked due to off topic posts, lets try a new one. Do you think that royal families take too many vacations? deserved or not in your opinion and your thoughts about various destinations chosen. Once again please keep this civil and not just turn this into a Charles and Diana thread I would like opinions on more recent vacations possibly 2001 forward as BF& GF, fiancee, marriage and family. Thank you.


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Re: Royal Vacations
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2012, 11:12:12 PM »
I think it depends on what is going on in the Country at the time. If everything is good and the people are prosperous and Happy then the vacation will be viewed as a much needed rest. If things are bad economically and the country's tax dollars are used to support said Monarchy then they should stay in their own country to vacation if they feel they need one. When the Leaders of the country introduce austerity measures and say "We are all in this together" and they go on an exotic vacation then you will always get the Marie Antoinette effect. "Let them eat cake" even though I am not so sure she said that. They should lead by example.  :wink:
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Re: Royal Vacations
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2012, 10:14:09 AM »
Great points snokitty and I agree entirely.

As for them taking vacations too frequently well, they work only a four day week don't they because they then leave for their country homes on Fridays. Or does that not happen anymore?

Everyone is entitled to their annual holiday as long as it's not at other peoples expenses.

I do think the royal family deserve their breaks, the ones that work hard that is, but I also believe their chosen destinations should be very carefully thought out.

I'd love to see some of the places they've recently holidayed at.




Trdie who is BF and GF?


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Re: Royal Vacations
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2012, 10:40:03 AM »
I am not Trudie but I believe BF & GF means Boyfriend and Girlfriend.  :blowkiss:
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Re: Royal Vacations
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2012, 11:13:23 AM »
Thanks snokitty it does mean boyfriend/ girlfriend. :flower:

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Re: Royal Vacations
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2012, 03:15:21 PM »
How they spend their free time is none of our businesses. What should be our concern is their public roles, and their public lives. If they choose to go abroad on their spare free time then that is up to the individual in question. In an ideal world however, people would know exactly when to not meddle into the private lives of public figures, however given that is never the case then perhaps these individuals should take greater care in showing appropriate restraints when times are difficult.

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« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2012, 07:14:17 PM »
I am not Trudie but I believe BF & GF means Boyfriend and Girlfriend.  :blowkiss:




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Re: Royal Vacations
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2012, 09:13:37 PM »
How they spend their free time is none of our businesses. What should be our concern is their public roles, and their public lives. If they choose to go abroad on their spare free time then that is up to the individual in question. In an ideal world however, people would know exactly when to not meddle into the private lives of public figures, however given that is never the case then perhaps these individuals should take greater care in showing appropriate restraints when times are difficult.

I agree with you Windsor however, the media makes it a big deal and I still do not understand why the Cambridges were criticized for going to Mustique with her parents while other royal families are out on the ski slopes and no one is criticizing them. I will say however that IMO it was a mistake for CH to say the Cambridges would forgo their skiing vacation in these times of austerity. That made them both look bad to the public even though It appears that the Middletons paid for the trip minus the cost of security that is is paid for no matter where they are.

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Re: Royal Vacations
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2012, 09:32:56 PM »
^^ Clarence House didn't make that announcement.  It was reported in a tabloid, but even some reporters who normally are in the know, don't know where the information came from.

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Re: Royal Vacations
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2012, 10:30:07 PM »
Do you think that royal families take too many vacations? deserved or not in your opinion and your thoughts about various destinations chosen. 

I don't follow other European Royal families only our own British ones  sorry about that.

First off, I should like to address the points raised about their choice of destinations.

I happen to think things have become more difficult for not only the RF, but high profile celebrities in general.  There was a time when far more destinations were within the means of the very, very rich which guaranteed an exclusivity.   Prior to the 80's, the British press were less likely to dispatch photographers to these exclusive destinations.  The reasons for this is because photographers didn't have their photographs as widely circulated as they do now.  The pictures taken were in the exclusive ownership of the newspapers due to the fact they had their own photographers on the payroll.   Contrast that to today  and newspapers are inclined to use freelance photographers  or news photo agencies and whom are paid according to the photographs published. 

Celebrity magazines weren't produced in the kind of numbers  they are today.  Today, there are a huge amount of celeb magazines who incidentally invite members of the public to send pics of any celebs which they happen to pap via their mobile phones and for which they can be paid a £100 upwards.  Alternatively, depending on the pic they themselves will contact a photo agency in order to make what they can out of the pic.  In other words, today everyone is a potential pap.

The point I'm trying to make here is that the nature of the media business has changed as has the cost of flight destinations which have actually gone down.  That in turn has put the RF in easier reach of paps and members of the public alike who in turn are potential paps, therefore when seeking out destinations they naturally prefer those small islands which do everything to assist them in maintaining their privacy such as keeping paps at bay.  In other words, for all their wealth their destination choices have become restrictive.

As for whether they take too many vacations?  I happen to think in general people gage what the RF do  by their public engagements and yet anyone who has watched a number of Royal documentaries such as Monarchy at Work, can tell you most of what the RF do actually takes place behind the scenes.  The number of meetings they attend can be quite mind boggling.  Heads of charitable organisations as well as regimental associations and so on and so on.   

Then there are the public gala dinners, but there are also the private ones which are also part of their jobs.  Smooching potential donors etc.....and this includes entertaining them at their country seats for  the weekends.   Therefore, how can we honestly judge whether they take too many holidays if most of what they do is out of the public eye?

So in answer to your question Trudie, no I don't think the RF take too many vacations.  I just happen to think the press are inclined to hype things.   Especially when there is a recession on and the mantra becomes, "Hang the rich."

Good luck with your topic.

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Re: Royal Vacations
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2012, 10:34:20 PM »
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Re: Royal Vacations
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Re: Royal Vacations
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2012, 12:52:07 AM »
Thanks Hale you pretty much answered the biggest problem the Media. Kate has many detractors but since the wedding no one knows exactly what she has been doing behind the scenes. It was said she was doing behind the scenes work deciding what charities she would take on. Kate has been in the company publicly with Charles and Camilla and just Charles. Kate also stepped in on his behalf at one of his fund raisers when a Saudi Prince passed away and he had to attend the funeral. I believe it was a spokeman for W&K who said they would forgo their ski holiday Cindy and their spokesman is based at CH. I will say that with the jubilee William and Kate will be stepping up to support the Queen and one must not forget their tour of Canada and the U.S. last summer that from all accounts was a great success.
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Re: Royal Vacations
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2012, 01:04:59 PM »
Originally posted by wannabe a few days ago:

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@RoyalReporter Curious why was 10day Mustique vacation ok for PW& K after sources said no ski-holiday for them, because it would look bad?
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Re: Royal Vacations
« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2012, 11:16:22 PM »
Cindy does it really matter who spoke regarding the ski trip? I remember reading it came from a spokesperson but again it doesn't matter. The point of this topic is royal vacations deserved or not and the choice of destinations to discuss. The older Royals do not vacation out side the country preferring their estates such a Balmoral, Birkhall, etc and Charles until a few years ago ski vacations. The younger generation prefer Africa, Mustique, etc. Lets not turn this into something that is not of any real importance.

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Re: Royal Vacations
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2012, 11:24:43 PM »
It does matter, its came from broadsheet The Telegraph, Mandrake. 

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Re: Royal Vacations
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2012, 11:42:28 PM »
Cindy does it really matter who spoke regarding the ski trip?

It does matter, because it was brought up that their saying they would not take the skiing trip was a mistake.  If that was put out by either William and Kate or CH or BP, then it could be considered a mistake.  If not, then it can't be. 

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Re: Royal Vacations
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2012, 11:53:05 PM »
I thought that Mandrake report was a miss, when it came out before Christmas, they (W&C) never go skiing around December.  Did any tabloid repeat this report?

On the other hand, I believe Richard Palmer's tweet.

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Re: Royal Vacations
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2012, 01:16:12 AM »
 :flower:  I think the question being posed by Trudie has been missed here.  I do understand there is some controversy caused by a unamed source from the palace about the possibility that W&K wouldn't go ski-ing this year because it would look bad and it's quite possible it was that supposed statement from the palace which gave Trudie the idea for the topic.   I also understand that this statement arose on the locked topic, but I happen to think what Trudie is trying to do is to get some input on what considerations do royals take today when choosing destinations? Also Trudie is posing the question as to whether we think that the Royals take too many holidays?   :hug:

What are your thoughts on this?   :hug?:

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« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2012, 01:29:42 AM »
I understand the question.  I just think its important and it does matter, factually William and Catherine have never ever in the past skied during Winter/December/Christmas/New Year, it has always been during Easter holiday, hence in my view Mandrake's report is erroneous.

It doesn't make sense the couple had 'green' light to travel to Mustique no matter who paid mid-January, but 2 weeks before not to Verbier because of the recession - bogus article, a miss. Otherwise, Prince Harry and the Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie wouldn't have gone -- the York girls have skied during Winter in the past or immediately after, celebrating the Duke of York's birthday.

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Re: Royal Vacations
« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2012, 01:54:47 AM »
The question was do Royal Families take to many vacations. I don't think they need anymore vacation time than the general public receives. A lot of those State visits should also be considered Vacations since a good deal of their time is spent enjoying themselves instead of performing State duties.  :blowkiss:
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« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2012, 02:23:48 AM »
For those who are interested, we really don't want to turn this thread into a politcal analysis of the royals.
Trudies question for this thread is as Hale has already said 'What considerations do the RF take'
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Re: Royal Vacations
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2012, 11:49:59 PM »
The discussion was OT discussing if Royal Tours could be considered vacations.  I split the topic and if you are interested you can continue discussing here 
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Re: Royal Vacations
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2012, 06:00:52 AM »
When you start to analyse the vacations of the BRF you tend to find that the older royals have very few and small vacations - a week here or a weekend there because they have engagements going on so regularly.

The Queen, of course, only has two days a year off - Christmas Day and Good Friday (and Sundays) as she has to deal with the boxes every other day. 

The other problem people have is assuming that when there is a day with no engagement in the Court Circular that the royal concerned sat around doing nothing when in fact they would be spending time prepping for upcoming engagements, sitting for portraits, getting fitted for dresses etc.  Now you and I mightn't call that work but given how important their dress can be on occassions these fittings are still work in a way. 

What you and I call work and what is work for royals are two totally different things.

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Re: Royal Vacations
« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2012, 07:35:04 PM »
  Because people were interested in discussing Royal tours/vacations I started a new thread last night.  I am going to transfer the OT posts discussing that topic over to the new thread.  But any more OT posts will be removed.  Please look at the Original Post for the subject of this thread.
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