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Harry's Arctic Heroes
« on: March 15, 2010, 10:46:24 PM »
Diary: Friday 19th March 2010--Prince of Wales

a group of wounded soldiers are trying to break a world record by walking to the North Pole.  they'll also be raising money for an injured soldier's charity.  here's a little more info i found....
 
http://www.olivejobs.co.uk/job/Walking-with-the-Wounded-Polar-Expedition/12855

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Walking with the Wounded--YouTube  

it sounds a lot like the khumbu challenge he was involved with a couple years ago.  good luck to them all!  :hug: :brr:




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Re: Harry's Arctic Heroes
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2010, 01:02:43 AM »
Very cool. Good find, Stix!! It really impresses me that Harry has managed to stay very much involved with charity work while still performing his military functions, and having a personal life!!  A few of his relations could learn a thing or two from his example!
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Re: Harry's Arctic Heroes
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2010, 09:28:58 PM »
I'm surprised. I wasn't expecting that from him.

To be honest, I was extremely disappointed - if not deeply shocked to death as many people/medias in the UK or abroad were - by his "little Paki/raghead" sort of comments to his fellow soldiers... while few weeks before he was into a campaign against people using the adjective "ginger"...

Anyway. It's a very sportive & challenging action. But for now, he just got my kudos for undertaking such an engagement.  I'll reserve my final POV after he's accomplished it and how he did it.
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Re: Harry's Arctic Heroes
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2010, 10:20:04 PM »
^ he's lending his support to them and helping to raise awareness to their cause but he's not actually going to be taking part in the expedition (although i'd bet he like to ;)).  the group is made up entirely of soldiers who've lost a limb in warfare. 

also he wasn't involved in a campaign against calling people ginger.....he met a girl at the Diana Concert who'd won the Diana Award For Counselling for starting up an anti-bullying campaign at her school and he told her that he'd been bullied at school for having red hair.

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Re: Harry's Arctic Heroes
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2010, 11:05:15 PM »
... Still, he should better than anyone understood that his "little Paki" comment wasn't "appropriated" at all - especially regarding his status, his grandmother, his history & the one of his family/country (linked to India/Pakistan). Nothing and no one is going to change my opinion on that "incident", even you Stix S.  :P It's a long story on how I lived the events and it will be OT.

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^ he's lending his support to them and helping to raise awareness to their cause but he's not actually going to be taking part in the expedition (although i'd bet he like to ;)).  the group is made up entirely of soldiers who've lost a limb in warfare.
That's too bad! Since in one engagement he could have targeted many matters:
• on a scientific ground: about the environmental/climate issues, like Prince Albert of Monaco. Plus he would have supported indirectly his father's actions...
• on a sportive level: showed a better image of him - you need a real training to do that... no one would dismiss the proven & necessary physical capacities & strength needed for such an expedition
• on a personal level: he would have a better media coverage and an international (good) one.
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Re: Harry's Arctic Heroes
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2010, 11:24:46 PM »
^yeah.....but mainly people would have just been moaning about the security costs of him going along. :doh:  that always seems to overshadow anything he or William do for charity that doesn't involve them wearing a suit and tie at the time. :laugh:  plus the whole thing is expected to take over a month from start to finish.  i doubt he'd be able to get away from his military duties for that long.

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Re: Harry's Arctic Heroes
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2010, 01:02:05 AM »
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Re: Harry's Arctic Heroes
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2010, 02:44:41 PM »
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but mainly people would have just been moaning about the security costs of him going along.   that always seems to overshadow anything he or William do for charity that doesn't involve them wearing a suit and tie at the time.
No, he will not. There is a reason why I separated my previous reply on 3 distinctive parts on the end...
It's neither playing polo in the Barbados, clubbing, nor "playing the soldier" where people don't see nor seize it's serving them (personally or the country) by weighting/balancing all parameters compared to their "peers" not that advantaged.
Furthermore, sports are venerated. Sportsmen/women are idoles - especially in our contemporary century.

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plus the whole thing is expected to take over a month from start to finish.  i doubt he'd be able to get away from his military duties for that long.
I don't think so. It's not exclusively antagonist with his military duties. It can be complementary. Plus, if he really wants to do it he's going to do it - as his "adventure" in Afghanistan. Why not to take his holidays break to do it?

I'm expecting & demanding too much... I know.. *sigh*

PS: like any human being on this Earth, they cannot have it all (i.e. having the cake and eating it) plus served on a sliver plater.

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Re: Harry's Arctic Heroes
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2010, 06:06:45 PM »
he is restless i think
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Re: Harry's Arctic Heroes
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2010, 11:50:44 PM »
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but mainly people would have just been moaning about the security costs of him going along.   that always seems to overshadow anything he or William do for charity that doesn't involve them wearing a suit and tie at the time.
No, he will not. There is a reason why I separated my previous reply on 3 distinctive parts on the end...
i dont know, i'm pretty sure the complaints about costs would still outweigh it for some....but not for all of course. :happy: 

because he and William did do something similar for charity when they went on the Enduro Africa Challenge.  it met all of the points you made with the exception of scientific (unless there was AIDS researched being funded by it).  yet there were still complaints about costs and "isn't he supposed to be a soldier?" comments before it even started! :laugh:  i think there was some grumbling when he went to Lesotho with the Household Cavalry as well.

some people complain about anything he does (however good or impressive) maybe because they are against the monarchy in general.....which is why i doubt if the princes would let it stop them. ;)

but what can stop them is schedule issues.  Harry's about to start a new phase of training.....he can't just run off for a long period of time.  and i doubt if he or the other soldiers are able to just show up for the expedition with no training for subzero conditions.  if Khumbu is anything to go by the group would be expected to train for months ahead of the actual event.  Harry has been focusing on his helicopter training and i doubt if he'd have time for such a big "extra".  the fact that its his career means he'd probably pick concentrating on his piloting rather then take part in the actual expedition.  although he is bringing attention to it by supporting them. :thumbsup:

and we get pix of it later today. :woo:

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Re: Harry's Arctic Heroes
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2010, 02:27:29 PM »
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Re: Harry's Arctic Heroes
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2010, 03:59:17 PM »
Prince Harry put his back into a photo call with amputee soldiers today as he tried out a sled they will use on a world record-setting expedition to the North Pole.

And the young royal had every reason to take it seriously at the Rifles Club in London - he plans to join them for part of their epic journey. Although he couldn't help getting a fit of the giggles as he set off across the crowded room.

The eight-strong group will be unaided and walk for more than 300 miles pulling their own gear, clothing and rations on sleds weighing more than 15 stone.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1259249/Heave-ho-Harry-Prince-prepares-drag-sled-North-Pole.html#ixzz0idvO8Pp6

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Re: Harry's Arctic Heroes
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2010, 06:54:33 PM »
He does seem such a decent guy. He's grown up in public, not having been at university in his early 20s and shielded as William was, but his charity work seems very sincere and he seems to put genuine effort in. Given he is a full time officer as well, that's impressive. Good for him.

Wounded soldiers have sadly not had the same support in the UK that they seem to in the USA. We have no Veteran's Affairs equivalent - the main military amputees' rehab centre doesn't even have a pool. Shocking, IMO, given the sacrifices made. It's great that both of them, and especially Harry, are working to help turn that situation around. They have the profile to help raise awareness of how tough an ex-service life can be.
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Re: Harry's Arctic Heroes
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2010, 07:21:33 PM »
I really think that Harry has developed a great public persona and charm.  I think this is a fantastic endeavor and glad to see him involved.

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Re: Harry's Arctic Heroes
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2010, 08:22:32 PM »
He is ummmming a lot.

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« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2010, 10:39:29 PM »
Frankly, I believe both Princes have a speech writer given the lack of free time they have to do this on their own with the time committment required from their military service.  When you are not the author of what you say, it is difficult to "own" it and therefore someone not naturally gifted is going to have those natural pauses.  It will come in time and I don't think it takes away from the intent or genuine feeling and charm he displayed.  He has an easiness among people that will serve him well and is not easily taught.   The speaking will come easier with time.

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Re: Harry's Arctic Heroes
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2010, 11:00:48 PM »
He is ummmming a lot.
^the Wales brothers are good at that. :happy:  i love his voice though. <3  i could listen to him ummm all day! :biggrin:

Frankly, I believe both Princes have a speech writer
i was wondering about that too.  they probably do have someone to help with their speeches.

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The speaking will come easier with time.
listening to Princess Diana's speeches over the years you can see how much her speaking improved.  she did have a speaking coach to help her....i wonder if they do/will?

Wounded soldiers have sadly not had the same support in the UK that they seem to in the USA. We have no Veteran's Affairs equivalent - the main military amputees' rehab centre doesn't even have a pool.
^really?  that's a shock.  so much of the UK's national life seems to involve soldiers on ceremonial parade....not to mention RAF flypasts.  being such a visible part of the nation's identity i'm surprised they aren't given more support.


Speech: Prince Harry eyes up North Pole trek--Youtube
Prince Harry hopes to join disabled troops Pole trek--BBC
Harry hopes to join wounded on trek to Pole--Telegraph
Royal Backing For Amputees Arctic Challenge--Sky News
Prince Harry to join amputee soldiers on trek to pole--This is London
Perth man to attempt North Pole trek--Big Pond News
Blind ex-soldier in marathon North Pole trek--STV News

Photos: Prince Harry Launches Walking With The Wounded--Zimbio
^i love the photo of their legs! :laugh:

it sounds like he's hoping to go along!  not sure if he'll be able to pull it off but it'd be awesome if he can! :thumbsup:

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Re: Harry's Arctic Heroes
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2010, 11:24:04 PM »
Yeah, it horrifies me. I don't think it's lack of goodwill, I just don't think people understand. I have Australian relatives and their vets get a lot of help, their kids apparently get reduced fees at university and so on, or so I was told. Yet in this country there's a real problem with homelessness for ex-servicemen. According to this briefing by our own government and a homelessness charity, it's a quarter of all people on the streets: http://www.epolitix.com/briefings/article-detail/newsarticle/forum-brief-homeless-ex-servicemen/ I just find that horrifying. Once someone is no longer in the services, that's it. They're out. Veterans aren't treated as potentially vulnerable as a direct result of their service.

Having said that, it looks like something is being done in upgrading the main rehab hospital: http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Militarymedicine/Pages/HeadleyCourt.aspx and it *did* have a hydro pool, just not one anyone could actually swim in. I was so ashamed of the country when William and Harry visited Headley Court and talked to one of the men who'd been flown back on the same plane as Harry, and they were saying that funds needed to be found for a decent pool. http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/article-561039/Harry-reunited-injured-marine-called-real-hero-Afghanistan.html These are people who've been maimed in their country's service. They shouldn't have to rely on fund raising efforts, IMO. I've always been opposed to the Middle East wars, but the troops go where they're sent and do the best job they can. It's appalling that they don't get looked after in return. I really do hope that the support W&H have given organisations like Help for Heroes has shone some attention on the gaps in provision.

It's also worth pointing out that £250,000 will buy a tiny 2 or 3 bed terrace in most of the south east of the country, and not even that in a nice area of London or the Home Counties. That's around the total payout of someone who lost most of their limbs. They'll struggle to work, they'll need a modified home, and if they were hurt that badly in a civilian industrial accident, they'd get massively more. I know funds need to be found from somewhere, and that somewhere would be taxes, but it seems all wrong for us to have the most generous Criminal Injuries Compensation Scheme imaginable, while selling our servicemen and women short. We don't even equip them properly, and though they do get nice bearskin hats if they're changing the guard, proper armoured vehicles might be a better investment: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8542288.stm

"Maj Sebastian Morley told the Daily Telegraph at the time that the Ministry of Defence's failure to provide troops with adequate equipment was "cavalier at best, criminal at worst"."
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Re: Harry's Arctic Heroes
« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2010, 11:39:24 PM »
Thanks everyone for the links.  Yes Harry was umming a lot, yet despite that he always seem so warm and relaxed when giving live speeches.  I happen to think he's a natural and coupled with a slightly husky voice I would be quite happy to listen to him all day.

Hattie is quite right in what she says about our armed forces, but the attitudes are changing and I give full credit to Sir Richard Dannat former chief of the general staff who began that process. 

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Re: Harry's Arctic Heroes
« Reply #20 on: March 22, 2010, 06:42:23 PM »
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Re: Harry's Arctic Heroes
« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2010, 10:37:43 PM »
some pix of him arriving....
http://www.posh24.com/prince_harry/prince_harry_cleans_up_good


btw....i'm pretty sure one of the soldiers going on the Walking with the Wounder also went on the Khumbu Challenge.  either that or they just look a lot alike. :happy:
http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd352/StixezRightClickez/misc/sameguy.jpg

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Re: Harry's Arctic Heroes
« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2010, 12:07:32 PM »
I like that Harry is so gung-ho about doing this expedition - but I do worry about the cost of it, and the fall-out because of the cost (of security, I mean).
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Re: Harry's Arctic Heroes
« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2010, 01:08:19 PM »
i think its gonna be great
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