Cambridges in Mustique vs Royals skiing.

[Wilkat]

Edward and Sophie may go skiing this year as Andrew and the Yorks have done. DrReSi, the British economist say the financial rewards of the Cambridge wedding are ongoing and can't be counted until a number of years have past, like a snowball that picks up speed.

[sara8150]

Kate and William can decide have vacation without her parent like getaway and skiing vacation

[snokitty]

^perspective. Why shouldn't I compare Will & Kate with Charles & Diana?

Protection is already budgeted for them whether they were sunning themselves or sweating in the office 40h/wk. Didn't matter. Again, where's the extra cost? She boosted the British economy by £1bn last year, uncompensated, and you're begrudging her for her due protection as a public figure?

There is no comparison between Prince Charles and Princess Diana to William and Kate. Prince Charles has been fulfilling his duty to Crown and Country starting at a young age and Princess Diana by fulfilling her duties as a wife to an heir of the British Throne did the same. William and Kate are 29 and 30 with a rare occasion being connected to their duties. The security salaries may be the same no matter where they are but when William and Kate went on holiday the British taxpayer had to put out extra for their security teams travel and living arrangements. So in this time of austerity where the taxpayers are being asked to cut back for them to take another vacation so soon was a slap in the face to the public. It is also the thing that started turning the public against Kate. Mother's Birthday or not it was a bad PR move. 

[Trudie]

OK lets put Charles and Diana to rest here. During the engagement Diana joined Charles on some engagements as his fiancee and their wedding also was the end of July and Charles always spent August through October at Balmoral remember he had been a full time royal since 1976 so of course his wife would join him on the annual RF summer break. The point of my starting this thread is to see why William and Kate are criticized for going to Mustique with her parents who they really will have no time to see during the coming Jubilee celebrations while other royals are taking their vacations without such comments when stops to consider that CP's Frederick and Mary went to Australia for part of an official visit and part personal to see her family.

[cinrit]

As for boosting the economy by £1b - I think you might find - the Royal Wedding cost the economy - big time - have we been compensated? - No.  They just keep taking and taking......   

The cost of security for the wedding was a documented £20M.  The rest of the wedding costs were borne by the Royals' and Middletons' private funds.

Cindy

[Macrobug]

Trudie introduced an interesting discussion "Why are K&W being criticized for vacationing and yet, their contemporaries in other Royal families are vacationing at present and not being criticised" Please stay on topic and stay away from discussions of Diana and Charles' past.  Thank you

[DrReSi]

^perspective. Why shouldn't I compare Will & Kate with Charles & Diana?

Protection is already budgeted for them whether they were sunning themselves or sweating in the office 40h/wk. Didn't matter. Again, where's the extra cost? She boosted the British economy by £1bn last year, uncompensated, and you're begrudging her for her due protection as a public figure?

There is no comparison between Prince Charles and Princess Diana to William and Kate. Prince Charles has been fulfilling his duty to Crown and Country starting at a young age and Princess Diana by fulfilling her duties as a wife to an heir of the British Throne did the same. William and Kate are 29 and 30 with a rare occasion being connected to their duties. The security salaries may be the same no matter where they are but when William and Kate went on holiday the British taxpayer had to put out extra for their security teams travel and living arrangements. So in this time of austerity where the taxpayers are being asked to cut back for them to take another vacation so soon was a slap in the face to the public. It is also the thing that started turning the public against Kate. Mother's Birthday or not it was a bad PR move. 

Can't give you a rebuttal re W&C C&D as per moderators - I'll hold my tongue. 

Where's the report of extra travel and living cost for the bodyguards? Btw, to my knowledge, there hasn't been any poll regarding Kate and her "EXTRAVAGANT TRAVEL." The "public turning against Kate" has been the mantra for Kate's detractors since before the engagement. Has it come to fruition at all? 

As for the Royal Wedding costing big time as a result of EXTRA PUBLIC HOLIDAY, well, who imposed the holidays? Who could legally do that?  Catherine? 

[snokitty]

How do you think the bodyguards got there? Do you think they were sleeping on the sand when not on duty? Of course they traveled with William and Kate and had to stay somewhere. Unless you have something that says the Middleton's or William and Kate are paying all of their security costs I stand by my post. It was a bad PR move. 

[fleur]

I would like to say someting about the Dutch RF.The only ones that get money are Queen Beatrix and the CP and his wife as they are fulltime royals.Constatijn and Laurentien have jobs as well but also do duties in support of Beatrix and the CP .The rest of the family have jobs outside the Royal family and get no support and how they spend their time is up to them.They are not funded by taxpayers.

Just because other people are not being criticized for something, doesn't mean Catherine & William are not allowed to be criticized either.That simply doesn't make sense to me.I seriously doubt that Catherine is responsible for 1B   into the economy , that is simply bullchips.William and Catherine should have simply not gone for the  spin ( of them being sensitive about the economic downturn)  and should have been honest from the get go about their holiday plans .This was a simple case of bad pr-planning and lets hope Clarence House has learned from this.

[Trudie]

Fleur I have to say that sometimes I think the spin from CH is done by the courtiers themselves. I just don't think criticism should be leveled at them for this trip. Even now the York's are on their annual ski trip one wonders how that is funded? and Broke Sarah is with them despite the media that she is terrified of traveling abroad for fear of arrest. The bottom line is like most people if one can afford to take a vacation my attitude is why not?. There have always been times of austerity throughout history that have not seen royals or celebrities deny themselves vacations I just think that this is trivial compared to why there is a need for austerity measures. Not to get off topic but here in the U.S. Our President took three weeks in Hawaii at Christmas and now just weeks later photo's are emerging that our First Lady and their children are in Colorado skiing and WE the taxpayer are paying for their security so really situations are the same the world over.

[Macrobug]

Can't give you a rebuttal re W&C C&D as per moderators - I'll hold my tongue. 

 
Feel free to start a new thread if this is a topic you wish to discuss.  If you need assistance to to do this, send me or one of the other mods a PM

[anitalalala]

maybe coz such royals have been royals for more than a few months and done a lot...to deserve vacations..that what comes in my mind when itc omes to comparisons...i guess thats simple as that...
I do think the middletons deserved a vacation coz they work actually...so did wills...coz he works as well..obviouslly they dont work on normal scales...not like a normal person would but yet...they have something in theyre favour...

Kate dont 

She has done nothing to deserve a vacation YET...thats why in my view..people criticized her.

A vacation well deserved, plain and simple. For someone who just positively impacted the British Economy single-handedly by £1bn, increased the royal coffers by £10m with her wedding gown display, helped Unicef raise £1m with one public appearance, bumped the British Royal Family's popularity significantly, she deserves a much-needed vacation. 

Btw, this vacation has more to do with Carole's birthday. Why should the Duchess skip it, anitalalala?

I never said she should or not should do anyhting...but that wont stop people from judging her as lazy...by taking a vacation for whathever reason wihtotu doing nothing...

This wedding every since the begginning was suppose to raise money for the british monarchy...not coz of kate and wills but simply of how it was done..and the hole expectation that it created...theres much more to this hole wedding and the publicity it gained and the money it raised than kate!!!!!Seriouslly all she did was basically say yes!!!!!And simply follow instrictions on how to begave..dres and smile...simple as that...anyone would do what she did...and for much less...Seriouslly...
Its ridiculous to treat this wedding and the profits of the same as some miracle or some real hard work form kate...honestlly thats the mos t hilarious thing ive ever heard...but im not surprised that her fac club atribute it all to her...
HOnestlly anyone who married wills would do the same..and have the same effect...simple as that...
Wills and kate were simply the pupets there...i dont see getting married as a work that deserves vacation...and even if it did..they had theyre 10 days honey moon...that was very expensive and very well paid theyre "rest" in case hey were tired of posing and partying...during this hole wedding har work thing...that was simply handed for them...they baically simply smiled and enjoyed the ride...such a hard work 

A for the rest...its been said shes not even a royal for a year yet...and if we put all her hours of work so far it dont give a month of work...i guess it dont make a week to be honest...So yeah it was her moms bday...great...they can celebrate the way they wanted...with a small party or a huge expensive and luxurious vacations as they did...they can do whatever they want...they are not royals....she is!!!!And if she trully cared about building a nice and hard working royal image...she wouldnt have gone simple as that.
Thats what i think at least....as many others as well...
To me is not about if she has the right to take vacation or not...oviously she has the total right to do it...but i think the timing wasnt right...it wasnt about who paid it...coz honestlly if she deserves it i wouldnt are less...if the mney came from public resources or not...
The thing is about deserving it...and in my she didnt deserved it...

The fact this couple raised money dont mean they deserve vacations..honestlly anyone in theyre places would do the same...its simply theyre obligations to do it...and  anyone in theyre places who have done the same they did in almost a year of marrage in my view wouldnt deserve any vacation...thats what i think!

As for comparisons with yrks or any other royals who were born royals or have been married with royals for decades...honestlt these people made theyre decisions and paid for theyre actions..simple as hat...the yorks are considered a bunch of lazy people...coz all they do is travel and party and use moeny for theyre personal expensive lifes and extravagances..and they pay the price by being always negativelly judged and aportrayed as lazy people..simple as that...
Thats the point...if kate wants to be a hard working royal and build herself a positive image..she will work hard and do what is expected of her to do..IF she wants to be consider like others as a lazy women who did nothing but marry a a prince and only enjoy the benefits that comes with such position...she simply needs to keep doing what shes been doing...nothing!And take vacations whenever is possile...Thats what i think as well...Is simple as that..action generates reaction...
If she works she will be seen as a ard working royal...and people wont mind when she vacationed coz she will have credits and merits to do so....but while she does nothing and is married for less than a year with ap prince where during such time she havent done 2% of what was expected of her to do..and have taken already 2 vacations...including a trip overseas...that dont count as vacaton for some but does for me...seriouslly...I wonder what kinda of image people should have of her...
Obviouslly for some fanatical about her everyhting she does ..including doing nothing will alwaus be judged as incredible...and super duper mega hard working...but not everyone thinks like this...simple as that!!!!

[wannable]

W&C will very likely take this overseas once or twice a year holiday and when in their elderly years, Balmoral and Sandringham.

In reference to Richard Palmer's tweet about the December ski-trip, his comment:

royal whisper   
@RoyalReporter Curious why was 10day Mustique vacation ok for PW& K after sources said no ski-holiday for them, because it would look bad?
Richard Palmer
@royalwhisper Did sources say that though? They never said it to me at any rate, though three or four years ago CH did say no foreign hols.
from Westminster, London
10:02 AM - 1 Feb 12 via web

Richard Palme
@royalwhisper Sorry I can't help on that. I don't actually know where that story came from originally but maybe ask whoever wrote it first?
from Westminster, London
10:07 AM - 1 Feb 12 via web

[DrReSi]

How do you think the bodyguards got there? Do you think they were sleeping on the sand when not on duty? Of course they traveled with William and Kate and had to stay somewhere. Unless you have something that says the Middleton's or William and Kate are paying all of their security costs I stand by my post. It was a bad PR move. 

We're not talking about the mechanics of their stay or travel? I should have asked where's the report of extra cost to the taxpayers? You claim "when William and Kate went on holiday the British taxpayer HAD TO PUT OUT EXTRA FOR THEIR SECURITY TEAMS' TRAVEL AND LIVING ARRANGEMENTS." How much extra did the taxpayers pay? Where's the proof? To date, I haven't seen any investigative reports about it. Have you?

Don't think Kate should apologize for her trip to Mustique unless the taxpayers got socked with subsidizing her & her family's travel and accomodations. So far, I've read only the Middletons paid $$$. Love her tan! 

[snokitty]

What I find Amazing is how far reaching Kate's supporters will go to try and make her look like something that she hasn't proven to be yet. The Taxpayers put out extra for their security and it doesn't matter if their is an investigative report or not. Common sense tells me that they did.

[Macrobug]

Everyone on this forum has the right to their opinion.  Please respect that and be polite to one another.  I think that the original topic has ran its course and this thread will be closed if it isn't being discussed.  Other topics that are being discussed here should be taken to their respective threads.  Start a new one if there isn't a thread dedicated to that subject

[wannable]

The British Royal family security is paid from the Metropolitan Police yearly budget round the clock 365/24/7 no matter if on/off duty. 

The yearly budget forecast, including international travel* is carried out year-to-date expenses x inflation = next years budget.

*International travel: big firms usually have a list of countries in an excel sheet with budgeted travelling cost/expenses. 

[Lothwen]

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