Author Topic: Cambridges in Mustique vs Royals skiing. (Read 1177 times)

Trudie · « **on:** February 19, 2012, 06:06:48 PM »

In light of the events of the past few days regarding Prince Friso accident in Lech. Why was criticism leveled at William and Kate for taking a Holiday with her parents?. So far this week there have been press in Vebier covering the Danish CP and Lech covering the Dutch royals yet no one has had one negative comment. I would like to know various opinions regarding this. One thing I would respectfully ask is keep this civil.

snokitty · « **Reply #1 on:** February 19, 2012, 06:14:08 PM »

They play different roles, hold different positions and they do seem to do more than holiday.

fleur · « **Reply #2 on:** February 19, 2012, 06:36:00 PM »

The Dutch Royals ( Beatrix/Maxima and Willem-Alexander )are fulltime royals and also have three kids.The kids are having their midterm break .This time Friso is on IC and Maxima and Willem - Alexander are keeping Friso's and Mabel's kids occupied .I don't know the Danish Royals that well to give you an answer .

William & Catherine got criticised because their PR guy first tried to score brownie points by saying they would not go skieen because of the economic downturn only to go a few weeks later to Mystique.They were sending mixed signals and add to the fact that Catherine has a workshy image.

wannable · « **Reply #3 on:** February 19, 2012, 08:14:37 PM »

Trudie, I don't follow the other European royalty, but a few weeks ago a poster said they don't do 1/5 of their British counterparts in short/mid or long term, in 5, 10 or 20 years. So, I checked the 2 official websites of the Danish and Dutch sites -- Diary, and its true.

On the other hand, searching news, trending topics and the like through internet, only the Spanish royals -- Princess Letizia and Inaki Urdangarin come halfway close to interest compared to W&C, who are in the top 10 or 20 spots in any search engine, world media outlets and the social networks.

So having said the above, it would be that the majority of world citizens clicking/reading a W&C news, will not do so with the other European monarchs, so less traffic, less reading, less comments.

Hale · « **Reply #4 on:** February 19, 2012, 08:19:03 PM »

Quote from: Trudie on February 19, 2012, 06:06:48 PM

In light of the events of the past few days regarding Prince Friso accident in Lech. Why was criticism leveled at William and Kate for taking a Holiday with her parents?. So far this week there have been press in Vebier covering the Danish CP and Lech covering the Dutch royals yet no one has had one negative comment. I would like to know various opinions regarding this. One thing I would respectfully ask is keep this civil.

snokitty · « **Reply #5 on:** February 19, 2012, 10:03:58 PM »

I have read that the other royal families have outside jobs on top of a Monarchs duties maybe that is why. Around the world the British Monarchy is better known probably because of colonization. Maybe people are just tired of hearing about the Middletons. No one really knows for sure.

wannable · « **Reply #6 on:** February 19, 2012, 10:07:57 PM »

I don't think so, their websites are poorly.

Lothwen · « **Reply #7 on:** February 19, 2012, 10:41:28 PM »

Quote from: Trudie on February 19, 2012, 06:06:48 PM

In light of the events of the past few days regarding Prince Friso accident in Lech. Why was criticism leveled at William and Kate for taking a Holiday with her parents?. So far this week there have been press in Vebier covering the Danish CP and Lech covering the Dutch royals yet no one has had one negative comment. I would like to know various opinions regarding this. One thing I would respectfully ask is keep this civil.

Probably several reasons

1. The Cambridge PR people said that they weren't going to take any exotic vacations because of the economic crisis, then they went to an exclusive island for vacation.

2. Prince Frisco isn't the Crown Prince but the second son. He also gave up his right to succession when he married without Parliament's permission.

3.

Trudie · « **Reply #8 on:** February 20, 2012, 01:28:55 AM »

True Lothwen but the entire Dutch RF get together for this annual ski holiday and the Danish RF also do the same each year. From what was put out the Middletons paid for the Villa if anything all William and Kate had to do was pay their airfare. We do have forum topics devoted to the other monarchies so I thought maybe more posters would add to this discussion. I agree that Prince Friso is the second son and also no longer in the line of succession but then William is the heir behind the direct heir and a working military officer as well as a part time royal. As Royal Families go I don't understand the constant criticism leveled at the BRF regarding austerity while the other RF's seem to be doing less but whooping it up on their vacations. The BRF are always known to spend the summer at Balmoral or Scotland in general while their counterparts go to other destinations usually exotic.

lil157 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 20, 2012, 04:04:01 AM »

The criticism was due to the fact that (I'm going to repeat what posters have already said, in order to reinforce my point), (a) William and Catherine were said to have turned down a skiing holiday due to the economy crisis, only to go on a trip to an exotic place (even if the trip was being funded by the Middletons) a few weeks later, (b) they were not seen doing much concerning to royal duties previously. Therefore a holiday seemed a little too much given that time in space.

The other Europeans are full time royals (with its exceptions). You can see them out and about, attending engagements, pretty much every week, throughout the year. So, a family holiday can be understandable. Besides, I don't think we have seen any mixed signals coming from them. Like, avoiding doing a certain thing and then doing another similar one. So, at least, there's some consistency in their words.

Also, most of the other European royals have children. Therefore, as most families in the world, they need to schedule their family vacation around their children's school schedule too. So when they have their family vacation, it's an opportunity they have to be together as a family and do things together. Unlike, a married couple with no kids yet, who can afford to spend time together either at home or at a vacation.

(Not criticizing William and Catherine's right to vacation, though.)

Quote from: Trudie on February 20, 2012, 01:28:55 AM

The BRF are always known to spend the summer at Balmoral or Scotland in general while their counterparts go to other destinations usually exotic.

That maybe has to do with the generations. The older generation of the Danish Royal Family (The Queen and The Prince Consort), for example, usually spend their vacations at royal summer palaces, or their private estate in France, while the younger generation (The Queen's children and their families) usually go away, "privately", to a chosen destination for a few days, and then return to spend the rest of the summer, more "publicly", with the relatives at the chosen palace.

DrReSi · « **Reply #10 on:** February 20, 2012, 04:14:01 AM »

Quote from: Lothwen on February 19, 2012, 10:41:28 PM

Quote from: Trudie on February 19, 2012, 06:06:48 PM
In light of the events of the past few days regarding Prince Friso accident in Lech. Why was criticism leveled at William and Kate for taking a Holiday with her parents?. So far this week there have been press in Vebier covering the Danish CP and Lech covering the Dutch royals yet no one has had one negative comment. I would like to know various opinions regarding this. One thing I would respectfully ask is keep this civil.

Probably several reasons

1. The Cambridge PR people said that they weren't going to take any exotic vacations because of the economic crisis, then they went to an exclusive island for vacation.

Wrong. Even Richard Palmer, Royal Reporter, questions that claim. Who said they're not going on a ski trip? Apparently not St James or Clarence House. As for the Mustique trip, as I understand it, the Middletons planned it in time for Carole's birthday. Something wrong with celebrating mom's birthday? It's their money.

Lothwen · « **Reply #11 on:** February 20, 2012, 04:42:52 AM »

^http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/8962442/Prince-William-and-Kate-Middleton-are-hit-by-downturn-on-the-slopes.html

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/prince-william-kate-middleton-skip-ski-trip-because-of-recession-20112212

http://www.hollyscoop.com/kate-middleton/prince-william-and-kate-middleton-cancel-ski-trip-because-of-recession.html

All say "A source" but we can infer (or not) that this was CH or SJP. I choose to believe that it was Palace PR that said that William and Kate wouldn't be skiing over Christmas break because of the recession.

Now, I'm not overly familiar with the Dutch royals, and since Prince Friso is no longer considered "part of the family" in terms of being in the line of succession I have no idea whether or not he receives money from the State or not, but I would assume he doesn't. (If I'm wrong, somebody please tell me.) I do know that he is currently the Chief Financial Advisor for URENCO, which is a world wide Uranium enrichment company.

So what you have with William and Kate going on vacation (in people's minds) are two people who are supported by the State, and for Prince Friso you have a rich man going on vacation. That may be oversimplifying things, and it's not necessarily true, but I think that's why people were more critical of William and Kate going to Mustique

DrReSi · « **Reply #12 on:** February 20, 2012, 05:28:21 AM »

Quote from: Lothwen on February 20, 2012, 04:42:52 AM

^http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/8962442/Prince-William-and-Kate-Middleton-are-hit-by-downturn-on-the-slopes.html

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/prince-william-kate-middleton-skip-ski-trip-because-of-recession-20112212

http://www.hollyscoop.com/kate-middleton/prince-william-and-kate-middleton-cancel-ski-trip-because-of-recession.html

All say "A source" but we can infer (or not) that this was CH or SJP. I choose to believe that it was Palace PR that said that William and Kate wouldn't be skiing over Christmas break because of the recession...

So what you have with William and Kate going on vacation (in people's minds) are two people who are supported by the State, and for Prince Friso you have a rich man going on vacation. That may be oversimplifying things, and it's not necessarily true, but I think that's why people were more critical of William and Kate going to Mustique

Or not.

As for the lack of negative press regarding the Dutch pair's skiing holiday, two words: TRAGIC ACCIDENT.

Btw, William and Kate are supported by the Prince of Wales' income from the Duchy of Cornwall (rent money, investments), not by the state. Their security is tax-funded per their status as public figures.

Blue Clover · « **Reply #13 on:** February 20, 2012, 05:29:37 AM »

I hope things go well for Friso, seems unrelated to Kate and the Middletons. I don't see any connection at all.

Hale · « **Reply #14 on:** February 20, 2012, 09:18:48 AM »

Quote from: DrReSi on February 20, 2012, 04:14:01 AM

Wrong. Even Richard Palmer, Royal Reporter, questions that claim. Who said they're not going on a ski trip? Apparently not St James or Clarence House. As for the Mustique trip, as I understand it, the Middletons planned it in time for Carole's birthday. Something wrong with celebrating mom's birthday? It's their money.

I don't quite understand. What's wrong if W&K do go ski-ing? Hope they enjoy themselves. Hope Carole has a lovely birthday and yes DrReSi, I read that by Palmer also.

cinrit · « **Reply #15 on:** February 20, 2012, 11:46:46 AM »

Quote from: Lothwen on February 20, 2012, 04:42:52 AM

All say "A source" but we can infer (or not) that this was CH or SJP. I choose to believe that it was Palace PR that said that William and Kate wouldn't be skiing over Christmas break because of the recession.

If either CH or SJP had made an announcement that William and Kate would not be taking a skiing trip, it would have been noted by the media, as usual. Even "a source from CH/SJP", rather than just "a source", would be more believable. Sources can be reliable, or not.

Cindy

anitalalala · « **Reply #16 on:** February 20, 2012, 01:55:12 PM »

maybe coz such royals have been royals for more than a few months and done a lot...to deserve vacations..that what comes in my mind when itc omes to comparisons...i guess thats simple as that...
I do think the middletons deserved a vacation coz they work actually...so did wills...coz he works as well..obviouslly they dont work on normal scales...not like a normal person would but yet...they have something in theyre favour...

Kate dont

She has done nothing to deserve a vacation YET...thats why in my view..people criticized her.

FanDianaFancy · « **Reply #17 on:** February 20, 2012, 06:28:48 PM »

Agreed with fluer and others.

DrReSi · « **Reply #18 on:** February 20, 2012, 06:31:58 PM »

Quote from: anitalalala on February 20, 2012, 01:55:12 PM

maybe coz such royals have been royals for more than a few months and done a lot...to deserve vacations..that what comes in my mind when itc omes to comparisons...i guess thats simple as that...
I do think the middletons deserved a vacation coz they work actually...so did wills...coz he works as well..obviouslly they dont work on normal scales...not like a normal person would but yet...they have something in theyre favour...

Kate dont

She has done nothing to deserve a vacation YET...thats why in my view..people criticized her.

A vacation well deserved, plain and simple. For someone who just positively impacted the British Economy single-handedly by £1bn, increased the royal coffers by £10m with her wedding gown display, helped Unicef raise £1m with one public appearance, bumped the British Royal Family's popularity significantly, she deserves a much-needed vacation.

Btw, this vacation has more to do with Carole's birthday. Why should the Duchess skip it, anitalalala?

sophiechloe · « **Reply #19 on:** February 20, 2012, 06:55:23 PM »

Kate is now a member of the Royal Family with all its perks. Another holiday within months of the lavish honeymoon. Regardless of it being for her Mother's birthday - will it be the same every year ? What about the others Mike, Pippa, James....

The Middletons might have paid for it, but the taxpayer paid for security to drag along behind her and indeed Willliam.

When she accepted William's proposal of marriage - into the RF - she must have accepted her life would change. To date I see no change.

Wilkat · « **Reply #20 on:** February 20, 2012, 07:11:32 PM »

Quote from: Hale on February 20, 2012, 09:18:48 AM

Quote from: DrReSi on February 20, 2012, 04:14:01 AM
Wrong. Even Richard Palmer, Royal Reporter, questions that claim. Who said they're not going on a ski trip? Apparently not St James or Clarence House. As for the Mustique trip, as I understand it, the Middletons planned it in time for Carole's birthday. Something wrong with celebrating mom's birthday? It's their money.

I don't quite understand. What's wrong if W&K do go ski-ing? Hope they enjoy themselves. Hope Carole has a lovely birthday and yes DrReSi, I read that by Palmer also.

I'm glad to see the facts because any of us who follow the royals know that Will and Kate don't ski that time of year anyway. They didn't use any PR. They were not expected to ski then. I used to visit the Netherlands royal boards a lot and the Dutch posters always said that their royals didn't do a fraction of the public work the Windsors did and that they thought the Windsors were out in public too much on what they called "duties."

The Danes and the rest of them went on ski treks before they had kids and when they were newly weds so to huff about the Windsors seems overkill. Trudie, your idea is a good one.

If Will didn't have to go on the tour of duty in the Falklands, they may have skied about now, like Andrew, Beatrice, Eugenie and Sarah are doing in Verbier.

DrReSi,

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A vacation well deserved, plain and simple. For someone who just positively impacted the British Economy single-handedly by £1bn, increased the royal coffers by £10m with her wedding gown display, helped Unicef raise £1m with one public appearance, bumped the British Royal Family's popularity significantly, she deserves a much-needed vacation

When you give her the credit due, it makes all the difference.

DrReSi · « **Reply #21 on:** February 20, 2012, 07:24:53 PM »

Quote from: sophiechloe on February 20, 2012, 06:55:23 PM

Kate is now a member of the Royal Family with all its perks. Another holiday within months of the lavish honeymoon. Regardless of it being for her Mother's birthday - will it be the same every year ? What about the others Mike, Pippa, James....

The Middletons might have paid for it, but the taxpayer paid for security to drag along behind her and indeed Willliam.

When she accepted William's proposal of marriage - into the RF - she must have accepted her life would change. To date I see no change.

Charles and Diana had a 3-month honeymoon. Two measly weeks for Kate and William. How dare Catherine ask for a few days with family for mom's birthday!

The security was paid for by taxpayers whether she was in the UK or in Mustique. Didn't matter. Where's the extra cost?

And definitely there's a change in her life. She's more visible publicly - AND SHE EMBRACED IT.

Thanks Willkat.

sophiechloe · « **Reply #22 on:** February 20, 2012, 07:31:47 PM »

This thread is not about Charles & Diana.

Kate always seems to be on holiday - again I ask - What has changed?? As for security, whilst they are sunning themselves, I should not be expected to pay for looking after them.

DrReSi · « **Reply #23 on:** February 20, 2012, 07:39:09 PM »

^perspective. Why shouldn't I compare Will & Kate with Charles & Diana?

Protection is already budgeted for them whether they were sunning themselves or sweating in the office 40h/wk. Didn't matter. Again, where's the extra cost? She boosted the British economy by £1bn last year, uncompensated, and you're begrudging her for her due protection as a public figure?

sophiechloe · « **Reply #24 on:** February 20, 2012, 07:49:38 PM »

^ Because this thread is not about Charles & Diana - Please stay on topic.

However -
So the comparision is yet another holiday or working in an office - how strange - no in between?
As for boosting the economy by £1b - I think you might find - the Royal Wedding cost the economy - big time - have we been compensated? - No. They just keep taking and taking......